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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

What is the question?  

Is this question why you have defects?   Is the question how many are there?  Why do you want to know that?  

You have, perhaps inadvertantly, found one of the basic weakenesses of the six-sigma approach.  What a defect is and what the area of opportunity is are both arbitrarily defined and one can make a report look better or worse by changing the definition.

But that is just a game.

I assume you wish to eliminate/reduce errors.

Where do they come from?  Is there a stable pattern of errors (statistical control chart).  If there is not a stable pattern when are the peak occurrences?  If there is a stable pattern, then something systemic must be changed.

You list a lot of tools, but no questions.  It is hard to know which tool makes the most sense if one doesn&#039;t know what question he or she is trying to answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>What is the question?  </p>
<p>Is this question why you have defects?   Is the question how many are there?  Why do you want to know that?  </p>
<p>You have, perhaps inadvertantly, found one of the basic weakenesses of the six-sigma approach.  What a defect is and what the area of opportunity is are both arbitrarily defined and one can make a report look better or worse by changing the definition.</p>
<p>But that is just a game.</p>
<p>I assume you wish to eliminate/reduce errors.</p>
<p>Where do they come from?  Is there a stable pattern of errors (statistical control chart).  If there is not a stable pattern when are the peak occurrences?  If there is a stable pattern, then something systemic must be changed.</p>
<p>You list a lot of tools, but no questions.  It is hard to know which tool makes the most sense if one doesn&#8217;t know what question he or she is trying to answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lavanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lavanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Thanks for your reply

I need six sigma for finding defects in a web application and to find the solution on how to reduce the defects.
I have two main questions require answers.

Question 1


I have used DPMO for
calculation the defects in given opportunity
For Root Cause analysis i made
use of Pareto Analysis.
These two were not sufficient for web applications.
Is there any other methods i can use for 
    1)Calculating defects
    2)Root Cause Analyzing tool


Question 2
    1)Can i use sampling methods(Random,Convenient,Purposive)
       If so which is best suited.
     2)For analyzing  data can i use any tools(Chi-square,Percentage Analysis)


It will be really helpful if u could answer the above questions.
Even if your answers give me an idea of these,it will be useful.

Thanks in Advance
Lavanya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply</p>
<p>I need six sigma for finding defects in a web application and to find the solution on how to reduce the defects.<br />
I have two main questions require answers.</p>
<p>Question 1</p>
<p>I have used DPMO for<br />
calculation the defects in given opportunity<br />
For Root Cause analysis i made<br />
use of Pareto Analysis.<br />
These two were not sufficient for web applications.<br />
Is there any other methods i can use for<br />
    1)Calculating defects<br />
    2)Root Cause Analyzing tool</p>
<p>Question 2<br />
    1)Can i use sampling methods(Random,Convenient,Purposive)<br />
       If so which is best suited.<br />
     2)For analyzing  data can i use any tools(Chi-square,Percentage Analysis)</p>
<p>It will be really helpful if u could answer the above questions.<br />
Even if your answers give me an idea of these,it will be useful.</p>
<p>Thanks in Advance<br />
Lavanya</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest you start by making a list of questions you&#039;d like to answer.  The statistical tools that are most appropriate will depend on the nature of the questions asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest you start by making a list of questions you&#8217;d like to answer.  The statistical tools that are most appropriate will depend on the nature of the questions asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Lavanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lavanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

I am new to Six sigma.
Am currently working in a software project which requires six sigma concepts.
For determining quality of a software product
I have used DMPO .
Is there any other concepts for determining the
quality of a software product.
Can i use any statistical tool ?
Please advice..
Thanks
Lavanya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I am new to Six sigma.<br />
Am currently working in a software project which requires six sigma concepts.<br />
For determining quality of a software product<br />
I have used DMPO .<br />
Is there any other concepts for determining the<br />
quality of a software product.<br />
Can i use any statistical tool ?<br />
Please advice..<br />
Thanks<br />
Lavanya</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Cat Management Improvement Blog &#187; Management Improvement Carnival #38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious Cat Management Improvement Blog &#187; Management Improvement Carnival #38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Six Sigma: Some problems by John Dowd - &#8220;Finally the calculation of six-sigma itself is accomplished by dividing a denominator based on a subjective assumption (The number of opportunities over which a defect can occur) into a measure of the number of defects where defects have been so ill-defined as to produce no meaningful measurement&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Six Sigma: Some problems by John Dowd &#8211; &#8220;Finally the calculation of six-sigma itself is accomplished by dividing a denominator based on a subjective assumption (The number of opportunities over which a defect can occur) into a measure of the number of defects where defects have been so ill-defined as to produce no meaningful measurement&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom:

Yes, I&#039;d say you have a better idea of the problems with some uses of sigma and cpk than most.  In my experience, showing process stability before reporting cpk (Six Sigma efforts or not) is the exception and not the rule.

Also I think you are right to point out that it is easy to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  Clearly if some organization is paying no attention to quality and not quantifying data and they adopt a Six Sigma mehtodology (or almost anything like it) they&#039;ll see improvments and be better off.

It is just frustrating to see a very effective and time-proven set of techniques like those Toyota has been using since Taiichi Ohno worked there, be ignored for an ineffective and theoretically flawed method.  

Especially now that we have some years to look at what Six Sigma has done for some its strongest proponents, we can see it has not come even close to helping those companies and Toyota, Honda, etc. just keep rolling over everything in sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom:</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;d say you have a better idea of the problems with some uses of sigma and cpk than most.  In my experience, showing process stability before reporting cpk (Six Sigma efforts or not) is the exception and not the rule.</p>
<p>Also I think you are right to point out that it is easy to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  Clearly if some organization is paying no attention to quality and not quantifying data and they adopt a Six Sigma mehtodology (or almost anything like it) they&#8217;ll see improvments and be better off.</p>
<p>It is just frustrating to see a very effective and time-proven set of techniques like those Toyota has been using since Taiichi Ohno worked there, be ignored for an ineffective and theoretically flawed method.  </p>
<p>Especially now that we have some years to look at what Six Sigma has done for some its strongest proponents, we can see it has not come even close to helping those companies and Toyota, Honda, etc. just keep rolling over everything in sight.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you raise some good points. I agree that the websites are generally atrocious, and I have rarely used the calculation of Sigma, except for occasional reporting purposes. Perhaps I have been lucky enough to have been trained by an unusually good MBB.

I will just add a clarification. As you point out, there are excellent alternative improvement methodologies. I meant that there are few practical alternatives for introducing and building statistical and scientific thinking across an organization. I believe that this is a valuable goal, beyond Six Sigma&#039;s efficacy as an improvement methodology. In my experience, Six Sigma offers training and implementation of statistical and scientific thinking that most people, from senior managers to line employees across the organization, can comfortably swallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you raise some good points. I agree that the websites are generally atrocious, and I have rarely used the calculation of Sigma, except for occasional reporting purposes. Perhaps I have been lucky enough to have been trained by an unusually good MBB.</p>
<p>I will just add a clarification. As you point out, there are excellent alternative improvement methodologies. I meant that there are few practical alternatives for introducing and building statistical and scientific thinking across an organization. I believe that this is a valuable goal, beyond Six Sigma&#8217;s efficacy as an improvement methodology. In my experience, Six Sigma offers training and implementation of statistical and scientific thinking that most people, from senior managers to line employees across the organization, can comfortably swallow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr A D Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr A D Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom&#039;s comment that  &#039; “defect” and “opportunity” are generally defined by clear specifications &#039;,  highlights Six Sigma&#039;s most fundamental flaw.  Defects and specifications say nothing about the process.  Indeed, they can produce any values one wishes.  It is hence a philosophy based on wishful thinking !

3.4 dpmo is just too laughable for anyone with an once of common sense to take seriously.  It was first based on a &quot;drift&quot; then a &quot;correction&quot; then a &quot;dynamic mean off-set&quot;.  Anyone intested in the farce behind its derivation and the various attempts to prop it up, is invited to read my papers :

http://qualitydigest.com/IQedit/QDarticle_text.lasso?articleid=12564
http://qualitydigest.com/IQedit/QDarticle_text.lasso?articleid=12541

The extent of Six Sigma&#039;s flaws are too numerous to describe here.  My papers give greater detail.

Tom goes on to naively ask &#039;what is the alternative?&#039;  ... has Deming been forgotten so soon ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8217;s comment that  &#8216; “defect” and “opportunity” are generally defined by clear specifications &#8216;,  highlights Six Sigma&#8217;s most fundamental flaw.  Defects and specifications say nothing about the process.  Indeed, they can produce any values one wishes.  It is hence a philosophy based on wishful thinking !</p>
<p>3.4 dpmo is just too laughable for anyone with an once of common sense to take seriously.  It was first based on a &#8220;drift&#8221; then a &#8220;correction&#8221; then a &#8220;dynamic mean off-set&#8221;.  Anyone intested in the farce behind its derivation and the various attempts to prop it up, is invited to read my papers :</p>
<p><a href="http://qualitydigest.com/IQedit/QDarticle_text.lasso?articleid=12564" rel="nofollow">http://qualitydigest.com/IQedit/QDarticle_text.lasso?articleid=12564</a><br />
<a href="http://qualitydigest.com/IQedit/QDarticle_text.lasso?articleid=12541" rel="nofollow">http://qualitydigest.com/IQedit/QDarticle_text.lasso?articleid=12541</a></p>
<p>The extent of Six Sigma&#8217;s flaws are too numerous to describe here.  My papers give greater detail.</p>
<p>Tom goes on to naively ask &#8216;what is the alternative?&#8217;  &#8230; has Deming been forgotten so soon ?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would make a couple of quasi-technical points.  As a general statement, the statistical methods taught by Six Sigma books and consultants are, for the most part, in error.

Yes, one should have a stable process to use a cpk as a prediction.  But you and I both know that few of the users of cpk index values check process stability or report on it.  Without that information, the number is meaningless.  

But that is not what I was really getting at.   Inherent in the very calculation of Six Sigma is a (mistaken) conversion of defect rate to a process capability model.  Not only is this bad practice statistically, in the Six Sigma literature that I’ve seen (admittedly I haven’t read it all) there is no reference to the problem of citing a defect rate from a non stable source…no distinction is made when calculating that defect rate.  Then that rate is used to form (mistakenly) a process capability to a given process.  

The same is true with regard to the definition of area of opportunity and defect. With regard to defect, an operational definition is required.  There is no other way to achieve a communicable meaning to a term like round, safe, clean, in-spec, etc.  The same requirement exists for designating, in a communicable way, an area of opportunity for a defect to occur.  

The most popular Six Sigma website (http://www.isixsigma.com/) barely mentions this vital need and the definition they give of operational definition is not correct.  Another site (http://www.6sigma.us/) when searched returns no finding for operational definition.  A third site, Motorola’s, does not have operational definition in its “Six Sigma Dictionary”. 

Sigma is given as calculated using the total sample sum of squares.  This is not correct unless the process is free of special causes and without a control chart one has no knowledge about the presence or absence of special causes.

Hypothesis testing is advocated (e. g. t Test for independent samples).  First there is no reference that I could find that such a test has no meaning for prediction unless the samples are from a process in control.  Moreover the pitfalls associated with hypothesis testing (type I and type II error for example) are virtually never explained.

It seems to me that the non-technical portion of your remarks falls into two categories.  First you say that the “…improvement effort forces...” and later “…Six Sigma forces organizations…” I disagree.  What forces the organization to do things is management.  Many companies that do not ascribe to Six Sigma pay close attention to process stability, consistency of definitions, etc.  

Second, you argue that there are no alternatives to some of the bad practices of Six Sigma.  I disagree with that as well.  There are very good alternatives.  Toyota and Canon do not use a ‘Six Sigma” approach to quality or competitiveness and each company has been consistently been among the very best at quality for the products they produce and they have both been consistently very profitable in the same world markets that the U. S. has written off.  

It has been said that, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”  Using that homely advice we can look at Motorola and GE as Six Sigma exemplars and Toyota and Honda as non-users of Six Sigma and see that there is no comparison.  General Electric is trying to sell its small appliance division.  What a sad piece of news that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would make a couple of quasi-technical points.  As a general statement, the statistical methods taught by Six Sigma books and consultants are, for the most part, in error.</p>
<p>Yes, one should have a stable process to use a cpk as a prediction.  But you and I both know that few of the users of cpk index values check process stability or report on it.  Without that information, the number is meaningless.  </p>
<p>But that is not what I was really getting at.   Inherent in the very calculation of Six Sigma is a (mistaken) conversion of defect rate to a process capability model.  Not only is this bad practice statistically, in the Six Sigma literature that I’ve seen (admittedly I haven’t read it all) there is no reference to the problem of citing a defect rate from a non stable source…no distinction is made when calculating that defect rate.  Then that rate is used to form (mistakenly) a process capability to a given process.  </p>
<p>The same is true with regard to the definition of area of opportunity and defect. With regard to defect, an operational definition is required.  There is no other way to achieve a communicable meaning to a term like round, safe, clean, in-spec, etc.  The same requirement exists for designating, in a communicable way, an area of opportunity for a defect to occur.  </p>
<p>The most popular Six Sigma website (<a href="http://www.isixsigma.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.isixsigma.com/</a>) barely mentions this vital need and the definition they give of operational definition is not correct.  Another site (<a href="http://www.6sigma.us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.6sigma.us/</a>) when searched returns no finding for operational definition.  A third site, Motorola’s, does not have operational definition in its “Six Sigma Dictionary”. </p>
<p>Sigma is given as calculated using the total sample sum of squares.  This is not correct unless the process is free of special causes and without a control chart one has no knowledge about the presence or absence of special causes.</p>
<p>Hypothesis testing is advocated (e. g. t Test for independent samples).  First there is no reference that I could find that such a test has no meaning for prediction unless the samples are from a process in control.  Moreover the pitfalls associated with hypothesis testing (type I and type II error for example) are virtually never explained.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the non-technical portion of your remarks falls into two categories.  First you say that the “…improvement effort forces&#8230;” and later “…Six Sigma forces organizations…” I disagree.  What forces the organization to do things is management.  Many companies that do not ascribe to Six Sigma pay close attention to process stability, consistency of definitions, etc.  </p>
<p>Second, you argue that there are no alternatives to some of the bad practices of Six Sigma.  I disagree with that as well.  There are very good alternatives.  Toyota and Canon do not use a ‘Six Sigma” approach to quality or competitiveness and each company has been consistently been among the very best at quality for the products they produce and they have both been consistently very profitable in the same world markets that the U. S. has written off.  </p>
<p>It has been said that, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”  Using that homely advice we can look at Motorola and GE as Six Sigma exemplars and Toyota and Honda as non-users of Six Sigma and see that there is no comparison.  General Electric is trying to sell its small appliance division.  What a sad piece of news that is.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi tom,

Thanks for your comment.  I&#039;ll respond shortly.  Please stay tuned for Part II.  Some of the valid issues you raise will be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi tom,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  I&#8217;ll respond shortly.  Please stay tuned for Part II.  Some of the valid issues you raise will be addressed.</p>
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